Right to speak important

LETTER

To conduct a civil debate on important social issues, it is important to uphold the right of free speech. Those who believe in a Creator and His plan for procreation have a right to be heard, and not to be silenced with charges that they are promoting hate speech.

Curious of Whataupoko is in denial of history. Marriage exclusively between one man and one woman was accepted by all civilisations as being the foundation of a healthy society and the best place to raise the next generation.

The institution of marriage predates the establishment of the Catholic Church, which upholds marriage as being a covenant between God and exclusively one woman and one man. Marriage is the basic unit of society for the procreation of the human race and for the happiness of mankind.

Every child has a right to be raised, loved and to live with their biological parents. This is not religious dogma, it is common sense.

Man was made for woman and woman was made for man. With our birth rate at 1.85, there is an urgent need for a national discussion on why the current generation is failing to produce the next generation.

Ken Orr

Christchurch

To conduct a civil debate on important social issues, it is important to uphold the right of free speech. Those who believe in a Creator and His plan for procreation have a right to be heard, and not to be silenced with charges that they are promoting hate speech.

Curious of Whataupoko is in denial of history. Marriage exclusively between one man and one woman was accepted by all civilisations as being the foundation of a healthy society and the best place to raise the next generation.

The institution of marriage predates the establishment of the Catholic Church, which upholds marriage as being a covenant between God and exclusively one woman and one man. Marriage is the basic unit of society for the procreation of the human race and for the happiness of mankind.

Every child has a right to be raised, loved and to live with their biological parents. This is not religious dogma, it is common sense.

Man was made for woman and woman was made for man. With our birth rate at 1.85, there is an urgent need for a national discussion on why the current generation is failing to produce the next generation.

Ken Orr

Christchurch

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curious of whataupoko - 1 month ago
Hi Ken

I am in denial of nothing. Well, except the existence of God, but I am sure She understands.

And, while I don't agree with a single thing you've yet said on any topic, I agree wholeheartedly with your right to free speech. Just not solely for 'Those who believe in a Creator and His plan for procreation' but for all of us, including non-believers.

Which means you have the right to espouse eternal damnation for those who don't follow your dogma - or common sense as you now call it - and I have the right to call it hate speech. That's how free speech works. The key word being free, not speech. Free to love who we like, live with whom we like whether married or not, and believe in what we like.

I note too that you still won't answer my question about the paedophile priests your Church historically takes such pains to shield from the consequences of their practicing sodomy and oral sex upon the children in their care. I also read this week about a nun who raped a 12-year old boy in her care; good to see that the Catholic Church had no glass ceiling in place, even as far back as the 1950s.

What a fine example they've set for all of us to follow. You must be so proud.

Tony Lee - 1 month ago
Mr Orr, you are curiously strident about the importance of free speech yet reluctant to accept that others be allowed to live their lives freely, in caring relationships, raising children to be similarly caring citizens. Your argument is of course based around your Catholic dialect of theism which to many is irrelevant at best and a hindrance to sound morality for others.

Of course, you have a right to present your views (perhaps not ad nauseam which gets quite tedious and not more forceful for the restating) but there are limits to free speech. I'd draw the line at incitement to violence; a line you did not cross but such was your underlying anger and fervour I suspect you may consider it an acceptable response to protect your religious beliefs from a New Zealand society that is becoming more irreligious (2013 42%, 2006 35%, 2001 30%). I'd predict that the 2018 census will show just one in ten New Zealanders share your flavour of Christianity.

Mr Orr, a brief fact check on your letter might be in order. You say monogamy was historically accepted as a cornerstone of all civilizations. How does that stand up to a quick Wikipedia check. India (1500 - 600 BCE) polygamy was accepted and an integral part of the Hindu caste system. In Buddhism, marriage is secular and historically polygamy was found but was thought to be inferior to monogamy. Polygamy was practised by pre-Christian Celts as well as within Judaism. It is liberally sprinkled throughout your old testament. It was prevalent where infant mortality levels were very high. It was not condemned by some in Protestant Reformation Europe. So, it seems Mr Orr, you're not averse to telling porkies. I won't hold that against you, you are a Christian after all.

I'm not putting this up for publication because, Mr Orr, it would probably allow a response and the last thing I need to see in our local paper is more hateful tripe from Christchurch.

Judith Collie, Qld - 1 month ago
Why is it some authors of letters to the editor use a nom de plume and don't have the intestinal fortitude to sign their own name? Just wondering.

Charmaine Fouhy - 1 month ago
Whoa!!! This korero is important, but let's not get distracted by the "who's more right than the other".
Everybody loves somebody and everybody wants to be the somebody their soul (and not societal or religious constraints) dictate. I don't always agree with other people's beliefs, lifestyles or even in some cases cultures. But I do believe that I must, at the very least, respect the person's right to their own opinion and understandings . . . and agree to disagree whilst retaining the right to be free!!

curious of whataupoko - 1 month ago
Hi Judith
It's certainly not a lack of "intestinal fortitude". Some of us have large incomes to protect. Hope you understand.

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