Also sick of it

LETTER

Mr Emerson, I agree with everything you wrote. I am also sick of all this cultural nonsense that is being foisted upon us from all angles and from all ethnicities.

Mr Handford and Mr Mulrooney, like yourself, are doing the community a service by speaking out. It’s a pity the general public doesn’t seem to see it or recognise it. Thank you.

Bill O’Brien

Mr Emerson, I agree with everything you wrote. I am also sick of all this cultural nonsense that is being foisted upon us from all angles and from all ethnicities.

Mr Handford and Mr Mulrooney, like yourself, are doing the community a service by speaking out. It’s a pity the general public doesn’t seem to see it or recognise it. Thank you.

Bill O’Brien

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curious of whataupoko - 27 days ago
Hi Bill

Let me get this straight: as long as it's your culture being shoved down people's throats, you have no problem with it?

Curious too - 27 days ago
Well Curious, do you really think that 178 years of democracy, rule of law, education, health and progress through an industrial revolution to a fine little country, to which you no doubt enjoy, is a shove down the throat? Or would you prefer to remain back there?

Let's Cut to the Chase . . . - 27 days ago
Enough talk and posturing on these themes . . . Probably best to dust off the muskets and taiaha and be done with it!

Pat, Turanganui a Kiwa - 27 days ago
Curious of Whataupoko . . . great response! Couldn't have put it better myself.

Curious too - 27 days ago
Pat and others. The issue for white middle class New Zealanders is having accepted the partnership process under the Treaty as set out by Parliament and the courts and forked out many thousands of millions of dollars on settlements, we are expected to join in and believe about taniwha, unwritten and movable cultural practices, and things that are literally plucked out of the air (like radio waves) to suit the moment.
Have you ever stopped to think it of interest to look at what actually happens throughout Maoridom, where power stays with people who gain it till they leave or are kicked out in divisive fights? Many Maori institutions are risible, because much of Maoridom simply does not do intelligent democracy.
We are so familiar with corruption and theft by leaders from Maori organisations that it is scarcely news, and routine succession in power without crisis frequently just does not happen until the fossilised holders of power have run their organisations into the ground. Rangatiratanga still operates on the aristocratic principle, that the leader's interests are paramount. The group interest is subordinate to the glory of the leader because his or her mana is the measure of the group's power. Collective meaning and identity are expressed through the respect the leader can extract. There is a distinct level of discomfort about all of this.
Last, but by no means least, never once have I heard a single decibel of gratitude for the benefits that the second coming to New Zealand has brought. We only ever hear about the rorts of the coloniser. Do you want me to prattle off some of the benefits? I could start with the wheel.

curious of whataupoko - 26 days ago
Hi Curious Too

It's lovely that you extol the virtues of education and are unable to parse a sentence.

Furthermore, all you are is a dyed-in-the-wool racist.

Curious too - 26 days ago
Curious of Whataupoko, Argumentum ad hominem

curious of whataupoko - 26 days ago
Hi Curious Two (again)

Not ad hominem at all actually. Based solely on your written argument.

And thanks for using Latin to show how well-educated you are. I love a good chuckle.

Pat - 26 days ago
Curious too . . . sadly, your view reeks of the same ignorance, bias and misplaced superiority as Bill's, and then some. Indeed, you only see what you want to. It's obvious you have not allowed yourself to engage with the beauty and wisdom of our indigenous people/culture.

lloyd gretton, china - 26 days ago
I know they mess it up in Africa. But African countries' leaders normally extoll Western values and would like their countries to be more Westernised. The worst African countries are where that is no longer believed and practised, and tribalism and cults have taken over. Africans also value English and many are English teachers in Asia.

Curious too - 26 days ago
Pat. One of the traits of the democratic way of life that our forebears brought to New Zealand is freedom of expression. It's now enshrined here just as is the right not to partake in something. I may well be missing out on the beauty and wisdom or your culture just as I have chosen not to learn Swahili or take up Morris dancing. But that's on me.

Lizz Crawford - 23 days ago
curious too - you talk about taniwha without regard to santa clause, camelot - honey and merlot? Unwritten/movable practices without regard to your white middle class statement? Things literally plucked out of thin air without regard to anthropomorphism under company law. Unintelligent democracy without regard to Muldoon's billion-dollar burn as an outgoing government; the Foreshore and Seabed, Bastion Point, Parihaka. Theft by leaders of Maori organisations without regard for theft by leaders of non-Maori organisations and that inquiry, ahmm, the wine box? Fossilised holders of power without regard to a National administration of three terms and now we have thousands of homeless. Do not compare your notion of aristocracy to that of rangatiratanga - if I didn't know any better I would say you were meaning tino rangatiratanga. New Zealand was a trading country well before settlers arrived. You say you have not heard a decibel of gratitude for the benefits that the second coming to New Zealand has brought, without regard to "the price of citizenship" Sir Apirana Ngata spoke of regarding two world wars ... "We will lose some of our most promising young leaders. We have lost a few already ... But we will gain the respect of our Pakeha brothers and the future of our race as a component and respected part of the New Zealand people will be less precarious." I do not hear a decibel of respect in what you have written. If I am not mistaken, you have not written about your culture but the culture of others.

Judy Collie, Qld - 21 days ago
Congratulations to Bill O'Brien and other correspondents who are prepared to put their names to their comments. They at least are firm enough in their beliefs to take ownership of them, unlike those who hide behind nom de plumes.

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